Slow Down on Sinclair

I don't agree, but it is worth discussion--Chris

Let's slow down here. Are we just doing what Rove wants? Are we taking our proverbial guns off Bush to go after Sinclair, leaving Bush laughing at us?

I wonder if this Sinclair crap will really have much impact. Fox has been blasting rightwing propaganda just as bad and blatant at this faux-documentary for years. Those who are going to drink the Kool Aid on this have already done so.

Every effort spent attacking Sinclair is an effort that is not directed at attacking Bush. Every letter to advertisers against Sinclair is not a letter to your local paper attacking Bush. People are reacting, not acting. Shrinks call it being reactive: letting your behavior be dictated by the actions of others. We are going on defense instead of staying on offense.

This is something Rove has proved very good at. He gets us all riled up chasing off in different directions, instead of maintaining focus on knocking Bush off. The Kerry campaign seems to get it: there's nothing on the web site about Sinclair that I've seen. Maybe that's how Kerry survived Vietman, when he had real bullets to deal with.

I know, Sinclair's actions seem beyond unfair. But let's think about where our energies are best directed. Let's keep the focus on the liar in the oval office.



Display:


Good question (none / 0)

And one that I have been asking myself.  Boycotts always backfire.  By protesting this thing, aren't we just drawing more attention to the program?  ARen't we doing exactly what they hope?
by PonyFan on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 10:12:11 PM EST

Re: Good question (none / 0)

I think so.  The more we protest, as well, the more ABC, MSNBC, and CNN can play it up.
by Alan S on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 10:17:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Not true ... (none / 0)

... that boycotts always backfire. The modern Teamsters Union was built with an annihilating secondary boycott on non-union trucking employers right after WWII. It was so effective that such industrial boycotts were outlawed by the Taft-Hartley Act of 1948.

Consumer secondary boycotts are still perfectly legal. "Secondary" because you're boycotting a party you don't have a direct dispute with, but someone you want to pressure whoever who have a dispute with. Like when you boycott a Sinclair advertiser.

by MikeB on Tue Oct 12, 2004 at 08:17:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I agree. Do not want to draw attention... (none / 0)

I'll say that I live in Madison, WI, which is one of the cities with a Sinclair-affiliate station.  But Fox (which is the other brand name of the station--double whammy!) has average programming a lot of the time, and I'm inclined to think that people are going to be watching their CBS, NBC, ABC, UPN, etc, or even their real cable, rather than watching what I've heard is one very poor documentary.  

I've been a little concerned that picketing, boycotting, etc. would just make people VERY curious about what the fuss is about (which is working in our favor!)

Thank you for your voice of reason, Alan S!

by BornAgainLiberal on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 11:18:58 PM EST

Re: I agree. Do not want to draw attention... (none / 0)

Sometimes we just need to slow down.
by Alan S on Tue Oct 12, 2004 at 12:28:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I agree. Do not want to draw attention... (none / 0)

The problem that we face with this is the more Democrats complain about the injustice of this, the more publicity Sinclair gets, and the more viewers will watch this thing. Without any of the free publicity the media has already given this, the number of viewers would have been low. Now Sinclair will probably attract a pretty good audience. The question I ask now is, would we be better off just letting this thing blow over, or should we mount a full fledged frontal attack? The decision for this should be based on the likelihood of success, which I have a feeling would be small. I am not talking about grassroots efforts like contacting advertisers etc., but highly visible efforts like a court challenge and continued presence on the major media protesting this blatant attempt to provide free advertising. I think the latter might just be counter-productive.
by Kramer on Tue Oct 12, 2004 at 01:43:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Disagree. (4.00 / 1)

We can walk and chew gum at the same time.

This "documentary" is 5 million dollars worth of free advertising that also happens to be a smear of epic proportions. It is going to play mere days before the election, and is going to be unrebutted and unrebuttable.

It must be quashed, and the perpetrators punished.

And there is no reasong that it need take away from any of the other efforts ongoing and underway.

by RedDan on Tue Oct 12, 2004 at 01:10:59 AM EST

Re: Disagree. (none / 0)

If a couple of e-mails and phone calls do not cut in to canvassing and phone calls for Kerry, then the Sinclair thing can only help energize and galvanize Kerry's base.  I might be too partisan to be objective, but the Sinclair story comes across as the kind of corporation/Republican sleazy lovefest that can only help Kerry if it gets a lot of media attention. It's a kind of a Democrat "memo-gate" story, in that it's the candidate-victim v. the powers that be.

If you go to the Talking Points Memo blog, that blogger is obsessed today with Sinclair, with some suggested tactics for those of you who have time to jump in on this fight.  Bottom line is that if efforts at fighting Sinclair do not cut into what you are otherwise doing for Kerry, I disagree too.

by maggie on Tue Oct 12, 2004 at 09:28:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Let's not. (5.00 / 2)

Kerry tried your approach in response to the Swift Vets.  How did that go?  Badly.  Yet here, you argue that we should do the same, but expect different results.

Shrinks call that "crazy."  So I say we do what Kerry should have done: hit back now, and hit back hard.

Do you want to know what Karl Rove wants?  Karl Rove wants to broadcast this documentary to almost a hundred million Americans shortly before the election.  If you want to give him what he wants, by all means, do nothing.  However, if you would prefer to deny Rove his October suprise, I suggest you call, write, visit, and email Sinclair, its stations, its investors, its advertisers, and its networks.

Now, I understand that doing so will require some effort on your part.  But you know what?  I think you can find the time.  I doubt you spend every waking moment thinking about the Kerry campaign.  So, in one of those moments when you aren't thinking about the Kerry campaign, why don't you try at least one of the actions above?

(My apologies if you do, in fact, spend every waking moment thinking about the Kerry campaign, and thus have no time for Sinclair.)

Support Regina Thomas, GA-12
by Drew on Tue Oct 12, 2004 at 01:13:03 AM EST

Re: Let's not. (none / 0)

I do spend many moments thinking about the Kerry campaign.  Not every or I would not be sane.  And I have donated more money than I ever thought possible to Kerry, the DNC, the DCCC, the DSCC, ACT, Texans for Truth, and MoveOn. The point I am trying to make is to focus.  Be pro-active.  Not reactive.
by Alan S on Tue Oct 12, 2004 at 01:28:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

I don't speak marketing. (none / 0)

So the proactive-reactive debate seems pointless to me.  You might as well argue that you shouldn't contrbute to anyone, at least if it's a "reaction" to Bush's actions.

Fact is, working against Sinclair is a small, worthwhile effort and it benefits the Kerry campaign and Democrats in general.  You can call it "proactive" or "reactive" or whatever; it's simply good sense.

Support Regina Thomas, GA-12
by Drew on Tue Oct 12, 2004 at 01:43:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]

We Can Handle Both (4.00 / 1)

We can take out Bush AND Sinclair at the same time. I'm not stopping until Bush is back in Crawford and Sinclair's stock is worthless.
by RandyMI on Tue Oct 12, 2004 at 08:49:24 AM EST

Speaking of distracting us ... (none / 0)

one result of this massive Sinclair effort, IMHO, is that there is a VERY important story going on RIGHT NOW that is being completely overlooked in the blogosphere, and that is recent revelations that weapon making equipment (possibly nuclear weapon) in Iraq have turned up missing, and neither the US or Baghdad seem to have any idea where they are and had no idea they were missing because they are not monitoring this stuff AT ALL. I was absolutly shocked that I did not see this plastered all over the blogs this morning ... does this not seem incredibly bad?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/11/iraq.nuclear/
"UNITED NATIONS (CNN) -- Equipment and materials that could be used to make nuclear weapons have disappeared from Iraq, the chief of the U.N.'s atomic watchdog agency has warned."

"Satellite imagery shows entire buildings that once housed high-precision equipment that could be used to make nuclear bombs have been dismantled, the International Atomic Energy Agency said in a letter to the Security Council."

"In the letter, IAEA head Mohamed ElBaradei said that though some radioactive equipment taken from Iraq after the war began has shown up in other countries, none of the high-quality, dual-use equipment or materials that is missing has been found."

"The U.S. government prevented U.N. weapons inspectors from returning to Iraq -- thereby blocking the IAEA from monitoring the high-tech equipment and materials -- after the U.S.-led war was launched in March 2003."

More if you go to link.

by citygirl on Tue Oct 12, 2004 at 01:26:39 PM EST

This may be an anti-F9/11 thing (none / 0)

Maybe somebody thought Moore was about to get it aired on a similar group of stations.

If so, that has to be dead now.

by Geotpf on Tue Oct 12, 2004 at 01:26:41 PM EST

Re: This may be an anti-F9/11 thing (none / 0)

My thoughts exactly. I was just thinking that maybe this is all just to prevent F9/11 from ever being shown on TV.

We can't go around now supporting showing F9/11. (even though I think they are two very different movies, but that's not how it looks in a basic comparison, which is all that matters.

by wazdog on Tue Oct 12, 2004 at 10:22:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Disagree (5.00 / 1)

No.

This sort of stuff cannot be allowed to happen without confronting it.  As my uncle used to say, `to ignore bad behaviour is to encourage it'.  We have to make sure that Sinclair does not think it can do this in 2006/2008.   We have to make sure Sinclair doing this doesn't `embolden' Fox to show 2-hour anti-dem propaganda movies in 2006/2008.

If this were the only time it was going to ever happen, then you could realistically do the cost-benifit analysis of letting this slide, and maybe either answer is possible and you could adjust tactics accordingly.   But that's just not how it works.  If we let this slide, something even more egregious will happen next cycle.  And so on.

by ljdursi on Tue Oct 12, 2004 at 01:28:31 PM EST

Also - Comparitive Advantage (none / 0)

Kerry and Lockhart are good at doing what they do; the blogosphere is good at what we do. With enough action - quick, overwhelming, distributed, grassroots action, that the Kerry campaign couldn't pull off even if they wanted to - we might be able to get Sinclair, or at least some or many of their affiliates, to back off.
And then - still three weeks' worth of time to do a lot of other work.

Sign the petition:
http://www.stopsinclair.org/

by jkdism on Tue Oct 12, 2004 at 01:30:54 PM EST

Keep Going--It Will Affect Network Coverage (none / 0)

Gee if millions of people call in and destroy a TV Broadcast company's ad base in 3 hours, do you think it will affect the way local and national TV stations cover the race?  I do.  What's important is that this doesn't last more than a day or two.  Plus we can add to the "Bush cheats" meme.  Fire away.
by Robwaldeck on Tue Oct 12, 2004 at 01:32:45 PM EST

disagree (5.00 / 1)

What this represents is not just a moment in this campaign, rather it is a pre-emptive strike on the Great Wurlitzer. The war has been joined in which this election is just a battle, and the Sinclair thing is just a skirmish.  

Even if the election is won by Kerry, he will still need to govern.  We cannot let the rightwing do what it did to Clinton.  We need to put the media on notice that it is not just the rightwing that is paying attention. We need to let them know that we can make noise too. We need to put advertisers on notice that they will pay a price for their tacit support of rightwing.  Dollars will get their attention. For most businesspeople green transcends politics.

Again, this is just a skirmish in the battle to move the national discourse back to the center. To do that we need to act now and act often.

by surfk9 on Tue Oct 12, 2004 at 01:49:53 PM EST

Although I don't like to... (4.00 / 1)

I think we should pursue this.  This sort of massive counteroffensive is what the right wing does, and it should get a dose of its own medecine, if only to prove that we aren't the namby-pamby wussies they would like us to be.  If we manage to do it politely and firmly I would say we are one up on them.  Also, we need to show that we can fight the way they do, but politely and firmly.  Boycotts do work, but not immediately, and not as thoroughly as one would like.

So, on the stick, and don't forget:

Nuclear materials have disappeared from Iraq
The price of oil is going up even more
Women can't vote in Saudi Arabia
Colorado's GOP is trying to disenfranchise voters
and so on and so on

by Carol on Tue Oct 12, 2004 at 02:18:20 PM EST

Alan S = (none / 0)

very smart man.  You know who's going to watch this crappy documentary?  Right wing nut jobs and those of us who like to get our blood pressure up.  Alan's comment about the Kerry campaign not posting anything about it says truckloads.  Remember how stupid the Kerry campaign looked by not responding to the Swift Boat Ads?  How stupid do they look now?  These guys know what they are doing, and they are not going to let unca karl set the agenda.  We're going to win folks.  Can you handle it?
by fred on Tue Oct 12, 2004 at 02:20:11 PM EST

fight back (5.00 / 1)

This is another opportunity to fight back.  The Swift Boat attacks did damage in part because they weren't met with counterattacks.  Here's what the DNC says:

Take Action

Sinclair Broadcasting is using its television stations to disguise right-wing smears against John Kerry as news. The Democratic Party has filed a complaint with the Federal Elections Commission to protest this illegal corporate contribution to the Bush campaign.

But we need your help to stop this right-wing attack on John Kerry. An overwhelming outcry from the public may be the only way to stop Sinclair from forcing these smears onto the airwaves. There are two ways that we need to take action immediately:

   1. Call Sinclair's affiliates.  Call them to let them know what you think about their decision to air untrue smears about John Kerry just before Election Day.
   2. Sign our petition demanding that Sinclair take their negative smears off the air.

by yettrab on Tue Oct 12, 2004 at 02:35:39 PM EST

no no no (4.00 / 1)


We need to bombard their Advertisers with warnings of boycott unless they stop advertising on Sinclair's stations.
I'd hate to just make more free publicity for this movie BUT we can win this one.

Here are the National Chains who advertise:
APPLEBEES
ca.diraimo@applebees.com (Lloyd Hill, president)

CORONA BEER
procermexlt@corona-extra.com

MACARONI GRILL, CHILI'S RESTAURANTS
investor.relations@brinker.com

DR. PEPPER, 7-UP
consumer_relations@dpsu.com

PEPSI COLA, MOUNTAIN DEW
boardofdirectors@pepsi.com

SONIC DRIVE-IN RESTAURANTS
sonicpr@sonicdrivein.com

PROCTOR & GAMBLE (COUNTLESS BEAUTY PRODUCTS, BUT ALSO PRINGLES, TORENGOS, EAGLE SNACKS, FOLGERS COFFEE)
Talbot.cg@pg.com (Carol Talbot, Community Relations)

TACO BELL
Amy.Sherwood@Yum.Com (Amy Sherwood)

Full article:
http://gadflyer.com/flytrap/index.php?Week=200442#935

Here is a database of local advertisers:
http://www.boycottsbg.com/advertisers/default.aspx

by Dougyg on Tue Oct 12, 2004 at 02:39:08 PM EST

Meme (none / 0)

I don't think we should let up, for all of the reasons posted above.
I do think the meme should be that this is just another one of BC04's desperate attacks on the military record of Kerry. This action is part and parcel to Bush's need to run from his own record and to continue his high level of negative discourse in the campaign.
Always bring it back and make Bush the issue.

by PlacerDem on Tue Oct 12, 2004 at 02:41:46 PM EST

agree wholeheartedly although fuck'em all (none / 0)

they should be taken down just on princple, but let's not waste too much time making their lives difficult.

we need to defeat Bush, not the prostitute-lovin' Sinclair people.  They prolly got all hot and bothered when Kerry used terrorism and prostitution in the same sentence.

by spliffmeister on Tue Oct 12, 2004 at 02:46:36 PM EST

WE CAN DO BOTH (4.00 / 1)

We can do both.  Furthermore, we're adults.  We know how not to stretch ourselves too thin.  I can make my calls from Demo HQ and serve in otherways and still find time to do as many contacts re Sinclair as reasonable.
by hawkseye on Tue Oct 12, 2004 at 03:03:11 PM EST

Rolling over (4.00 / 1)

Simple. Let Sinclair go without a challenge and why don't we just rollover on all the important issues with which we are concerned. While the broadcast may have a short range inpact on the election, the long range impact is that a broadcast property owner can use public airways for the wide-spread dissemination of a piece of propaganda. If you think that's OK and believe it detracts from what is important, lay off.
by steve in philly on Tue Oct 12, 2004 at 03:06:04 PM EST

Slow down (none / 0)

What Sinclair wants is to get the SBV's back in the news cycle.  My paper, the Minneapolis StarTribune published an editorial today slamming Sinclair, but REPEATING ALL THE CHARGES.  If that wasn't gold to the Repub's I don't know what is.

But I agree we can't ignore it.

Sinclair is now talking about a "debate" between Kerry and the vets.  Kerry should take control of this.  He should say, "Sure, I'll debate the vets after the movie, if you air F9/11 and then have Geo Bush debate Michael Moore."

It will stop it all cold, I'll bet.

by joyjacques on Tue Oct 12, 2004 at 03:24:55 PM EST

Re: Slow down (none / 0)

You are right...we didn't ask for this story, but ignoring it only means it will hit the fan too late for us to quash it. If anything, speaking out against Sinclair helps innoculate the public against the movie's specious charges, and gives the lie to the idea of a singular "liberal media." Media outlets come in all varieties, despite what dittoheads would have us believe.

As for keeping our eyes on Bush, I would agree we need to remind ourselves that his defeat is the prize...however, we can do both (protest Sinclair and Bush) and we have to do both.

Nice line about F9/11, btw...:)

by Dana on Tue Oct 12, 2004 at 03:53:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Sinclair (5.00 / 1)

Alan,

I think it's absolutely critical that we continue to hammer Sinclair, especially since the battle is already underway.  What are we supposed to do now, abandon the effort and go back to being nice little Democrats?

If we can kick Sinclair's ass on this one, it will be a highly visible demonstration program for the effectiveness of progressive online activism, and the next wingnut media organization will think twice before going down the same road.

by global yokel on Tue Oct 12, 2004 at 03:28:40 PM EST

I've been thinking the same thing (none / 0)

It would be sloppy on Rove's part to allow something like this to happen or come out with so much time to counter it.

Two conclusions: Sinclair would do it despite any opposition; Rove has a master strategy that will side swipe us.

Counter attack? Let's be organized here people! Who says we can't split up the energy? We have resources, people, brains. We can go after Sinclair and Bush at the same time.

Also, we need a counter-attack. We need a fire they have to put out to give. Make them sweat a little. The bulge theory isn't going to work unless we have a T.V. cameraman and a frequency expert on our side who can rig up a camera at the debate to expose the shame that might be happening.

If you want to outstrategize someone, you have to anticipate their next move and have your counter attack ready. Always be on the offensive. We're always defense; i.e. the losing side.

by matbiscan on Tue Oct 12, 2004 at 03:36:05 PM EST

Article on Sinclair in USA Today (none / 0)

From USA Today (Money Section)

Plan to air divisive film raises questions
By David Lieberman, USA TODAY

NEW YORK -- Wall Streeters, political activists and media critics Monday were trying to answer a perplexing question: Why would Sinclair Broadcasting CEO David Smith embroil himself in controversy by ordering his stations to air Stolen Honor: Wounds That Never Heal-- a documentary challenging Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry's Vietnam service -- within days of the presidential election?
The decision annoyed investors. Sinclair's shares, which have lost about half their value in 2004, closed Monday at $7.38, down 12 cents. That's about as low as they've been since 1995.

"I don't want my media companies that cover the news to be making news," says Barry Lucas of Gabelli & Co., which owns about 4% of Sinclair.

More....

http://www.usatoday.com/money/media/2004-10-11-sinclair_x.htm

by global yokel on Tue Oct 12, 2004 at 03:53:25 PM EST

No Alan ... (5.00 / 1)

... you're dead wrong. This is actually a gift from the wingnuts. They're going to be driven into the ground and made an example of. Sinclair's business will be destroyed, energizing countless millions and showing everyone how to fight.

Wake up, you can't pretend they're not there, you have to fight them with everything you've got. Fight like that and you never lose.

This is so outrageous that everyone sees it but the most hardened partisans; it's a fight for democracy.

by MikeB on Tue Oct 12, 2004 at 05:26:38 PM EST

Sinclair (5.00 / 1)

Alan,

Another thought about why I think it's important to fight and win on this Sinclair issue;  part of what we are accomplishing here is to build the online infrastructure to take on similar challenges in the future.  If we want to overturn the Rethugoracy that was built by the likes of Gingrich/Atwater/Delay/Cheney, we have to have the machinery in place to accomplish the task.  The Stop Sinclair Petition, and the posts here at MYDD,Atrios, Digby, Kos, Talking Points and elsewhere are creating something; an online community of people who are starting to see the evidence that we can make a difference.  A sense of empowerment is accumulating-  We the People are feeling the groove, and humbling Sinclair Broadcasting would be a significant step toward
changing the political atmosphere in this country.

Regards,

pj

by global yokel on Tue Oct 12, 2004 at 05:30:21 PM EST

Bravo (none / 0)

Last thing we want is for this to start dominating the news cycle.  Keep you eye on the ball or it'll be the sbv all over again.
by dave the pro on Tue Oct 12, 2004 at 05:34:51 PM EST

I can see your point (5.00 / 1)

but I think some of this is sloppiness and a "misunderestimation" on Rove's part.  

Based on recent behaviors this campaign is desperate, or else they would not be returning to this line of attack, which did no long term damage to Kerry.  This storyline has been very effective in battleground states, where the SBVT is still active, and we cannot let it slide.  

Plus, I don't think it has dawned on either campaign, DNC or RNC, what has been created on the web.  

We need to beat them at their own game, and we have to sustain this after the election, to prevent another headhunt on Kerry.  Just think of it as practice.  

by Aeryl on Tue Oct 12, 2004 at 06:02:47 PM EST

Sinclair (5.00 / 1)

To all my fellow Canadians and other Internationals:  Let's help our American friends by writing/calling/emailing the international divisions of American-based Sinclair advertisers and telling them exactly what we think.  Let them know that the world is watching.  We can't vote, but this is how we can help take up some of the slack.  This is especially important in markets like Buffalo (WUTV) where half of their viewing audience is Cdn.  Jeez, this free trade bull@#$% has got to work to our advantage somehow! Best of luck, Demo-cats!!!
by pseudoDionysius on Wed Oct 13, 2004 at 01:28:22 AM EST

I considered the possibility (none / 0)

it was one of Rove's arcane little ploys.  (Read the Atlantic Monthly article "Rove Cornered" if you don't know what I mean.)

It's possible that Rove is using this to discredit Fahrenheit 911 out of a fear that it will be aired somewhere, close to the election.

The simpler possibility, though, seems effective enough.  Rove wants to run this and blow us out in the battleground states.  They are desperate now.  They probably interpret the polls the same way Chris does, and that means Bush needs a boost.  The Swift Boat smear worked once; perhaps they hope it will work again.  All they want is a couple point boost in the battleground states before the election.  And it might change Kerry's momentum.

Sinclair is going to suffer badly for their announcement of the decision to run this film.  They are losing sponsors, money, reputation, racking up FCC complaints, possible shareholder lawsuits, and their stock price is plummeting.  Even if they call it off, they have already paid a huge price.  IT would be strange of them to damage themselves this badly unless they were ready to go through with it.

by Dumbo on Wed Oct 13, 2004 at 10:51:21 AM EST


You are not logged in.

In order to post a comment, you must be logged in. If you have a member account, please log in to comment.

If not, you can make an account right here. It's quick and free.